Speed Versus Safety: A Correspondence with Eric Peters
I had gone to bed late last night to find an article on the AOL Main page entitled: Dont Get Caught: Tips to Avoid Getting a Traffic Ticket. The article was written by a gentleman named Eric Peters. Peters is a lobbyist for the National Motorist Association (NMA) and has written for large publications including The Wall Street Journal. His article can be found at : http://autos.aol.com/article/general/v2/_a/dont-get-caught/20060421145909990001
Re: Tips to Avoid Getting a Traffic Ticket
Mr. Peters,
I have just completed reading your column entitled Dont Get Caught: Tips to Avoid Getting a Traffic Ticket and I am curious to know why you advocate such behavior or facilitate a means to practice this unsafe behavior. I believe that we both know that the reason Police Agencies give speeding tickets is because individuals are (consciously or unconsciously) breaking the law by speeding. The speeding in effect makes the road a much more dangerous place.
In your article you undermine police agencies by referring to them as the enemy when the truth is that they are the protector/preventer. You suggest that the likeliness of getting a speeding ticket is dramatically lower in a Minivan than in a sports car. I would like to ask you if it is much safer? For example if two automobiles, a Mercedes-Benz SL65 and a Chrysler Pacifica are plummeting down a suburban neighborhood at 55MPH, and your child is in the middle of the road, which is going to be able to stop more effectively? The speed limit is in place for a purpose (Safety) and your article shows no regard for that reasoning.
The main issue at hand, which your article neglects, is SAFETY. Speeding tickets serve as a deterrent. They are a preventative for would-be speeders and are part of a system which keeps unsafe drivers off the road. Thus speeding tickets actually make the road safer. Your article seems not to be all too concerned with individual or communal well-being and it can be seen that the vehicle to speed in is not a minivan.
I would suggest the following to avoid getting a traffic ticket:
-Dont Speed.
-Leave the house or office an extra five minutes earlier.
Nothing is worth an accident, and nothing is worse than killing an innocent person because you were running late for the oh-so-important-stock-merger-meeting.
Corey Friedman
Fort Lauderdale Florida
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Hi Corey,
Your underlying assumption - that speed limits are always, ipso facto, appropriate - is not one I agree with. In fact, speed limits are often set well below what they should be (according to traffic safety engineering principles as set forth in the federal Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices, or MUTCD). The best “case in point” of this is the old 55 mph highway speed limit - which of course
most drivers routinely ignored. Today, the typical highway limit is 65 or 70 mph - which would have been “speeding” subject to ticketing prior the 1995 repeal of the 55 mph limit. Do you believe the mere fact that the law changed made it safer to drive 65 or 70 mph? Or is the more logical answer that the 55 mph speed limit was artificially low?
Much of what passes for “safety” enforcement in this country has more to do with “revenue collection.” That’s the reality. Attempting to avoid being fleeced is no sin in my book.
Best,
Eric
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Eric,
Thanks for the response. Your correlation between ticketing and revenue collection may be valid, but at the same time you are forgetting or misplacing the traditional role of the ticketing system. Im sure you and I could both agree that the highways are safer at 55MPH compared to 70MPH. People involved in a car accident are more likely to survive the trauma of a car at 55MPG than the inertia of a car at 70MPH. Res Ipsa Loquitor. If the government can make money (which is put back into our communities) by ticketing unsafe drivers, then so be it.
How can we decide what is “artificially low”? Speeds are set low because it is SAFER.
One tends to forget that moving violations affect everyone equally. It doesnt matter how much your car is worth, or the color of your skin, at 90MPH youre a lawbreaker and chances are youre going to get pulled over. Do you posit that we can have higher speeds and adequate or better safety? Faster speeds increase risks of danger which is something that can only be seen as pejorative. Or do you recommend that just because drivers ignored the 55MPH speed limit, that we should increase the speed limit to the average speed of those who flew through our streets with little or no regard?
Corey Friedman
Fort Lauderdale FL
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Actually, I disagree with that. The fact is the safest speed is the speed that falls within the 85th percentile speed; those going significantly faster (or slower) are in fact the ones involved in the majority of accidents. The 55 mph limit was under-posted by at least 10-15 mph (according to the 85th percentile rule). Highway accident/fatality rates did not go up after 1995, when the 55 mph limit was repealed; indeed, they trended downward - despite much higher posted lawful maximums/traffic speeds.
There is a great misconception that speed, as such, “kills.” It does not. Inappropriate speed (too fast or too slow) is what’s dangerous. There is abundant evidence to support this.
Lower speeds, as such are not “safer.” Often, all they do is interrupt the natural flow of traffic, which leads to traffic bunching up and to a problem known as “speed variance.” These factors can be reduced or eliminated by posting speeds in accordance with the 85th percentile speed.
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Eric,
I think we are forgetting the driving (pardon the pun) factor of this equation. Humans. Humans are fallible creatures. The fact is that the 85th percentile rule, still does not make the roads safer. I am not saying that there are going to be less accidents at a slower driving rate (although there may be), what I am saying is that the likelihood of a person surviving a crash at 55MPG then at 75MPH is dramatically higher.
This is a busy society, and by that I mean, there are people who constantly have things on their To Do lists. We want to get the most done, in the shortest amount of time. This applies to driving as well. Your initial purpose of your article was to educate civilians on tactics which would prevent them from getting speeding tickets. This is effect means that you advocate their law breaking behavior. I understand that you are a lobbyist, as such; you also know that there are certain ways to go about things.
Nevertheless, it appears as though the 85th percentile distribution study was done by NMA (arent you a member), which leads me to believe that you would propose any information that your organization has brought forth. Lets not forget this makes your response / research vulnerable todata culling and thus is suspect.
Back to the Human element- The fact is that you are dealing with humans, and being that we do not know every variable in every human/driving situation, you can not possibly accurately predict human behavior. But ill tell ya, by implementing a ticket system as a deterrent it sure does make it a little more accurate to predict how people might react to a harsh penalty.
Thanks
Corey Friedman
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Driving faster (as such) does not correlate with a higher likelihood of an accident; that’s the relevant consideration here. It’s a false “package deal” to assert that people will be injured or killed (or be more likely to be injured or killed) simply by dint of driving faster than “x.” It’s just not so. Again, the 55 mph speed limit is illustrative. Despite much higher highway speed limits/speeds today, accident and fatality rates have not gone up. This is compelling evidence that driving faster than 55 mph (as such) is not dangerous. (Other examples include the German Autobahn system where drivers routinely travel 100 mph and faster; yet German accident/fatality rates are lower than US accident/fatality rates). It’s not speed, per se, that’s the problem - it’s inappropriate speed for conditions (as well as poor judgment/driver error).
The 85th percentile rule is not an NMA creationm; rather it is a traffic safety engineering principle set forth in the MUTCD; there is abundant evidence that the safest speed (in terms of reducing the number of accidents) is one that correlates to the 85th percentile speed.
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Eric,
Unfortunately you are wrong. To say that driving faster has no correlation to making one more prone to getting into an accident is completely false. For example, If I am driving 1MPH, then that means that I have almost total control over the vehicle. I think that you will admit at 100MPH things don’t work as well, including breaks.
You then proclaim that driving faster than 55MPH is not dangerous… Are you joking? You do take into consideration the Human factor when you cite the Autobahn example. However, more importantly which you don’t cite is the number of travelers on the Autobahn compared to that of American Highway travelers. The 85th percentile ruling is completely subjective, and I think that you can see it appropriates on any speed level system. That is why it is completely irrelevant.